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Anti-cheatserver is there ! :happy1:

Wonderful ! Magnifique ! Wunderbar ! <_<

Except that I've not been able to join an anti cheatserver for a few weeks !

Beside this, I've heard some words about it's not anti cheat anymore.... :wacko:

So... I'm still alone to play the whole maps for hours till I met somebody to play with ^_^

So.... Would it be possible to get back to the old system ?

Bill Alone ! :P

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Anti-cheatserver is there ! :happy1:

Wonderful ! Magnifique ! Wunderbar ! <_<

Except that I've not been able to join an anti cheatserver for a few weeks !

Beside this, I've heard some words about it's not anti cheat anymore.... :wacko:

So... I'm still alone to play the whole maps for hours till I met somebody to play with ^_^

So.... Would it be possible to get back to the old system ?

Bill Alone ! :P

 

 

The unityhq custom maps server is running the retail version. All you need are the custom maps.

 

The SFI DD and DM servers are running retail too (though SFI has anti-cheat servers for both DM and DD that are up partime, especially for matches)

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first of all

 

IT DOESNT SUCKS

 

it only sucks for the ppl who cant come in :wacko: :wacko:

 

Have u tried 2 ask peeps like: Zerro, spawn, dan himself, maybe some good modders, (they often knows how 2 fix thoose kind of troubles)

 

And

 

Yea , its not the best Anti cheat, some smnart ppl can easily crack it.

 

&

 

I want, One server with anti and one WITHOUTH :blink:

 

Well, i dunno, lets discuss this Exploit

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Yeah, it does suck. There was an anti cheat many years ago that worked basically like this one, and yet again it did not work. It's like if they made a new operating system that wasn't better than the previous one...oh wait, I guess Vista is like that huh.... :mellow:

 

The whole point I thought was to know that everyone in the server was definitely not cheating...but we just established that it does not fulfill that security, so basically we end up right back at square one.

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I'm with Bill...a cracked anti-cheat is not worth a server

and since they up nolf is kinda dead :(

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I agree, but if you change it back to retail, wont the cheaters increase?? (Since the public hacks are then useable again). Now at least the major part is blocked.

 

However, it shouldnt be a mod but a Update via sierra system, so a Retail 1.4 instead. Since new players can join without problems finding any mod then.

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Its a pity that the anticheatfix is cracked, but the fix is still a beta-version and the guy who cracked it has informed Dan how he did it.

There will allways be people who will try to outsmart an anticheat ( I heard that even Punkbuster is cracked :wacko: )

So an anticheat can never be 100% fullproof ! We have to live with that...

Question is : should we wait for the final release ? or just forget about this fix and make servers retail again ?

If we do so all public cheats will return on our servers :(

I have send a PM to Dan if its possible to contact Sierra and ask them if they can make a retail 1.4 which includes the final fix..probably it isnt possible, but we should try everything to save this game !

Its lousy that some people cant make this mod working on their PC, but thats reported to Dan also.

 

NOLF2 seems a little dead at the moment, but can we blame that on the fix ??

=NS= and Inf. are trying to inform other gaming people about how great NOLF2 is : we register on big forums and show a promo-video !!

Maybe other members of this community could do the same and show the gaming-world about the greatest on-line-game everrrrr

Another idea is : buy yourself another NOLF2 and give it to a friend/family...maybe we can expand this community a little.

New faces are more then welcome :D

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Yep concluded:

 

- Anti Cheat is never 100% proof.

- If Retail will be back chance of cheaters expand since public hacks are useable again, so anti cheat blocks about 98% of the potential cheaters.

- Creatign a Sierra 1.4 system update would be the best chance. but prob not happen.

- New players, is all about the things above, Anti cheat hard to install >> 1.4 retail should be here.

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NOLF2 seems a little dead at the moment, but can we blame that on the fix ??

=NS= and Inf. are trying to inform other gaming people about how great NOLF2 is : we register on big forums and show a promo-video !!

Maybe other members of this community could do the same and show the gaming-world about the greatest on-line-game everrrrr

Another idea is : buy yourself another NOLF2 and give it to a friend/family...maybe we can expand this community a little.

New faces are more then welcome :D

 

This I think is the bottom line for me. I totally agree. There are many of us that play retail servers and we continue to show up on a regular basis. We consider ourselves dedicated to playing the game, but more importantly to have fun while we're doing it! Even though this is by far an ancient game (in most gamers eyes) I guarantee you there are many people out there that would enjoy playing this game still yet, but they have never even heard of NOLF2. I was just talking about this the other day to someone. Even though back in the day when NOLF2 came out and it was a revolutionary game in its own right, it received little to no advertisement whatsoever. Let's face it, what other game can you throw bananas at people and sleep nade or set down an angry kitty?

 

- If Retail will be back chance of cheaters expand since public hacks are useable again, so anti cheat blocks about 98% of the potential cheaters.

 

This may be true, but how do you think the "known hacks" got around to the other players? The people who created them sent them around. I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist or anything, but common sense says that if they were released a first time, chances are the people hacking will receive the updated hacks as they are developed.

 

- New players, is all about the things above, Anti cheat hard to install >> 1.4 retail should be here.

 

Agreed. It should have been here years ago, but obviously old spy games are not a priority for Sierra. Which brings me to the conclusion that there is probably a higher chance of the sky falling than getting a 1.4 update from them.

 

I will gladly support anyone who tries in any way that I can however.

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Sierra, Monolith, Fox, whomever.... none of them have any interest in doing a single thing to help NOLF2. It simply isn't going to bring in any more money so there is no reason to even consider making an update. It sucks, I wish it wasn't so, but after all these years without any real help from them I think it's pretty obvious there will be none coming. Oh, and there won't be a NOLF3 either, since I'm the voice of doom today. :P

 

Honestly, I don't see the problem. There are servers with the mod and some without so the existence of the anti-cheat shouldn't have any effect on who plays the game. Unless, of course, all your friends play in the anti-cheat and you can't play good without a cheat that IS detected by the mod. I can see how in that case it would keep a few people away, but not enough to 'kill the game'. ^_^

 

Those who love the game will always be around until someone finally makes a game as fun and unique as NOLF2. I don't see that happening so us loyal few will probably be here for years, with or without anti-cheats.

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This may be true, but how do you think the "known hacks" got around to the other players? The people who created them sent them around. I'm not trying to sound like a conspiracy theorist or anything, but common sense says that if they were released a first time, chances are the people hacking will receive the updated hacks as they are developed.

 

Your right, but like we all say, this old game, do you think the people who made these hacks and sent them around in the time, are still intrested in making new ones?? Its just like sierra, they dont do it because it wont give them money, in this case, its not even intresting to make hacks and put time in such a game where barely anyone plays and is about 5 years old.

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If everyone wants a 1.4 version it will have to be made via the community. Like Bella said Sierra/VU etc has no interest in working on this game still.

 

Someone mentioned Punkbuster got hacked. Not entirely true and there are other enhancements to the PB system http://www.punksbusted.com and http://www.pbbans.com

 

Keeping games 100% cheat free is like anti-virus software on a PC. Someone is always trying to come up with a system to beat it.

 

The problem with the anti-cheat that Dan made is there is no way to get it to the player trying to connect to the server. In most other games, even FEAR there is the option to do a file redirect, to download the needed files to the player's PC. This give the server options to run custom maps, mods etc. This would be a good option to see about setting up if people want their mods to be more "mainstream".

 

A player new to NOLF 2 isn't going to know how to go about getting the anti-cheat mod let alone install it if they are new to the game.

If a server is policed then the cheaters are caught and banned. We (SFI) ran both the anti-cheat and the retail (still have the ability too) and the Anti-cheat only got 1/10 of the traffic as the retail server.

 

 

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Policing the server gives just as much trouble as a retail server without any kind of view on who cheats and who doesn't.

 

Whenever person A with the authority banns person B for cheating, person B will just accuse A for jealousy. And if person B is someone well known around here... It will just split the community up in "Yes" and "No" sayers.

 

So instead of cheating accusations on retail servers, we will now simply get jealousy accusations.

 

And people can still say "But I have proof! Look in this screenshot he is leaning but his gun is not in the opening of the door" or something similair like that, for which I can think of the easy excuse as "Someone was sniping so i took some steps back".

 

I think it is impossible to make players check other players. Jealousy, arrogance "i am so experienced i know who cheats and who doesnt" and all those simple human behaviour factors make it impossible and biased.

 

 

If you play nolf 2.. you have to accept some facts...

 

 

The game is old... the engine is old... it is full of holes that can be misused. The community is small, no autoupdater exists when you connect to a server... so automatically spreadng an anti cheat wont work.... Cheats do exist and are available by googling or on some shady FTP. Nolf had its glory years, its either time to move on to another game.... or accept the faults that nolf 2 has.

 

I can still have fun in nolf 2.. especially when i play with people i played with years ago.

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