The Russian Rampage roof glitch

[METAL 0]

Hi, I've had that thought for quite long time now. The so called roof glitch in the RR map DD, is a little controversial to be called a glitch IMO. By making this post I am not asking for any server holders to change any rules from their servers, though I've decided to discuss this in our nolf 2 community forum.

 

1st The way that you get there ain't that strange though there are no stairs to help you, howso ever I don' see by anything that the creators of the map didn't want anyone to be there.

 

2nd There are no map holes there, when you get up on the roof you can't shoot the ppl down there, like in the Japan map, with the poop mod for example. And unlike other maps where if you get on their roofs, u'll see that they are full with glitches and holes, unlike this 1 in RR.

 

3rd So far atleast I haven't succeeded to go off the map from there.

 

4th The "glitch" doesn't gives you any unfair privileges. It's no different than the snipper tower. You can kill from there and get killed.

 

5th If you look up this hole in the roof made by one wood plate placed inappropriate compare to others(by the will of the map makers) gives you the opportunity to trow a nade on the same roof, and if anyone is there you get what will happen.

 

So share your thoughts pls.

Edited October 29, 2007 by METAL

[Belladonna 805]

What roof?

[[WR] SkiZZor 0]

 

This here be the roof in question.

[RXS 0]

So whats the difference between here and being in the forest?

[METAL 0]

 

This here be the roof in question.

Yup, this roof.

 

And RXS the difference is that you are not off the map, and you have unfair privileges such as being able to go enemy's base and attack it from the back.

[RXS 0]

You're not off the base in the forrest I am thinking of either.....and it can be done on both sides of the map....

 

 

[Caip 0]

Not everyone knows how to get there and frankly it's not that easy. If we allowed this glitch to be used we'd have to tell every single new player how to get there. Why are we even discussing this, I recall that the glitch issue was resolved two or three years ago with the outcome that NO glitching whatsoever will be tolerated.

 

1st The way that you get there ain't that strange though there are no stairs to help you, howso ever I don' see by anything that the creators of the map didn't want anyone to be there.

 

I'm really going out on a limb here, some might even call it a stretch, but do you think it is even remotely possible that the map creators did not put stairs in there simply because they didn't want anyone to go up there? It's not at all different from going into the woods next to the towers...

[METAL 0]

Not everyone knows how to get there and frankly it's not that easy. If we allowed this glitch to be used we'd have to tell every single new player how to get there. Why are we even discussing this, I recall that the glitch issue was resolved two or three years ago with the outcome that NO glitching whatsoever will be tolerated.

I'm really going out on a limb here, some might even call it a stretch, but do you think it is even remotely possible that the map creators did not put stairs in there simply because they didn't want anyone to go up there? It's not at all different from going into the woods next to the towers...

1stly as I said I am not making this mtopic to change server rules.

 

As for this being the same as the woods, I highly disagree. 1 simple fact is that you can't get under or off the map on that roof. And honestly, I think that. There ain't no stairs on the trucks on that map, why r u going up on them? Isn't getting on a truck's front be considered a glitch?

[Caip 0]

1stly as I said I am not making this mtopic to change server rules.

 

Ok, so why on earth do you want to discuss it? If not to change the server rules this topic is utterly pointless.

 

As for this being the same as the woods, I highly disagree. 1 simple fact is that you can't get under or off the map on that roof. And honestly, I think that. There ain't no stairs on the trucks on that map, why r u going up on them? Isn't getting on a truck's front be considered a glitch?

 

You cannot be serious. Now you compare jumping on a truck to using a glitch? Come on, you have to admit that that argument holds no water. Besides, if you go into the woods right next to the tower you cannot go "under" the map or shoot through walls etc. It is exactly the same as with the roof, how can anyone possibly fail to see the connection.

 

Roof = hard to reach, cannot go under the map, cannot shoot through walls, cannot walk "behind" enemy base

Woods next to tower = yadda yadda yadda

[kepler 0]

It is a VERY difficult thing to discover without seeing someone else do it first. It really is the sort of thing you find when you are alone in the map just looking for glitches. The difficulty in getting up there is comparable to climbing the mountain on the Khios DM map. I grant that it is not particularly glitchy once you are up there, and the art is all quite complete up there. For me it all comes down to manners. If I am playing some people that I know really well that will merely find it funny that I am rocketing their hats, then great. If it will cause hard feelings because they couldn't be expected to imagine that anyone would be up there, then it is rude.

 

So, Metal.

 

Watch your hat.

[METAL 0]

Ok, so why on earth do you want to discuss it? If not to change the server rules this topic is utterly pointless.

ok ok ok

 

But there's 1 thing I do not agree and never liked that's due to some continue to happens here!

 

Ok, so why on earth do you want to discuss it? If not to change the server rules this topic is utterly pointless.

 

Why is that everything that shall be posted here has to change anything in particular? The only reason I've posted that this here is that I've just wanted to discuss it with other nolf 2 players....

I guess discussing "pointless" or any topic without specific reason and motive ain't that welcome.

 

 

[Belladonna 805]

I like to judge it all by me. lol! Seriously. Using a joystick instead of a keyboard seems to have an effect on getting to these glitch areas. I simply cannot get to them. Ever. I haven't attempted this roof one yet, but I highly doubt I can do it.

 

By now most of us have played the game long enough that if this one hasn't been brought up before it's doubtful that anyone will want to embrace it and play in that area. The fact that the map is completed there isn't quite enough of a reason for it to be an open playing area. I'm sure some others will see how hard it is to get there and report back.

 

Uh Caip... what's with you? Since when do we tell people what they can and can't discuss? If someone has what they consider a valid reason for looking into whether or not something is a glitch, they have every right to bring it up. Since this particular one hasn't been discussed before, that I know of, why not get it over and done with?

[Nova™ 0]

I agree with Caip...

 

There isn't any reason to discuss this at all, it's a glich, it's unfair play, you can't do it

[ƒƒ5•ßahamutZero 3]

You can do this in the poop server. (i know, we, or, i havent removed the pw yet have i?).

Pretty much use any "glitch", but don't do the one-way-shoot-glitches and such while a game is going.

 

I say, if you can shoot and get shot back outside usual gaming areas, go for it. And hey, if you want to waste your time hiding over fragging, whatever. Takes 5 mins to get up there, 2 secs to die.

 

 

[Belladonna 805]

I agree with Caip...

 

There isn't any reason to discuss this at all, it's a glich, it's unfair play, you can't do it

There is nothing wrong at all with making certain about something. This isn't someone talking about how to cheat in the game, he just wanted to express his opinion on why one area shouldn't be called an 'off map area'. Now that Metal sees the opposition in it, I'm sure he'll stay away from that area on standard servers or go play in Poop's server if he feels the need to use it.

 

 

 

[METAL 0]

I agree with Caip...

 

There isn't any reason to discuss this at all, it's a glich, it's unfair play, you can't do it

OK, I'm sorry for the HL2 post I made. Already said that in private...

 

As I said, I didn't make this thread to request, it get allowed in the servers, neither that I want anyone to allow me to do it as stated.

 

Tbh I never actually go up on that roof or am that much burning of desire to go up there, anyways, it doesn't takes me 5 min(atleast not everytime, that I tryed on my own server), but I always stuck with the rules of the servers and never had the desire to climb roofs. My nickname isn't the cat burglar anyways.

 

[Spacko 0]

Uh Caip... what's with you? Since when do we tell people what they can and can't discuss?

 

He never did that, though. He only said that there doesn't seem to be much of a point discussing it if's already clear that the answer isn't going to change anything. Which seems true to me, anyway. In any case, we're not 5 years old here, (even if lord knows you'd be forgiven to think that sometimes) and clearly anyone can continue a discussion even if someone else thinks it's a pointless one.

[METAL 0]

He never did that, though.

I'll quote Hathcock here: The fact that you did not said it, doesn't mean you didn't meant it.

(I think it's close enough to what Hath said. )

But I prefer to follow the direct talk anyway. So no he didn't told that, but telling it after I've already had said that I am not making this topic in order to change anything, is questioning his intentions.

 

He only said that there doesn't seem to be much of a point discussing it if's already clear that the answer isn't going to change anything. Which seems true to me, anyway.

Which is true and pointless after I've made it clear in first placve why I have posted this truly sensless topic. (and I am not being sarcastic).

 

In any case, we're not 5 years old here, (even if lord knows you'd be forgiven to think that sometimes) and clearly anyone can continue a discussion even if someone else thinks it's a pointless one.

Well the 5 years old line can be doubted tough.

 

But anyways... let's forget this and move on to something more positive and exciting. I think I've got some notes and answers, though in an "alternative" way a bit, but it still counts.

Edited October 31, 2007 by METAL

[sinhol92 0]

is it allowed or not??

[METAL 0]

It is not allowed to go there!

 

 

[kepler 0]

Unless!

[Belladonna 805]

Unless... you're in the POOP server where they've allowed off-map areas. Nowhere else, though.

[Triggerhappy 0]

Uh Caip... what's with you? Since when do we tell people what they can and can't discuss? If someone has what they consider a valid reason for looking into whether or not something is a glitch, they have every right to bring it up. Since this particular one hasn't been discussed before, that I know of, why not get it over and done with?

 

Oh good, I'm glad I'm not alone on that.

 

While I actually agree that it's not a good idea to allow the glitches to be legal for once, I have to say this:

 

If we allowed this glitch to be used we'd have to tell every single new player how to get there.

 

There's a lot of new players who don't know how to do a lot of "legal" things let alone glitches, and I sure don't see a bunch of SFI players taking time out of their day every time a new player joins to explain how to play the game, so why start now with this?

 

He only said that there doesn't seem to be much of a point discussing it if's already clear that the answer isn't going to change anything.

 

Since when has that stopped a certain two people from defending a pointless cause? Heh, that's rich.

 

It seems like people are trying to use the excuse that "it's too hard, so we shouldn't allow it." Yeah, well sometimes it's hard to get first place in a game too, but I don't see anyone making that illegal.

 

While I agree that most if not all glitches were not meant by the map packers to be exploited, perhaps they should have tested their maps a little more carefully before calling them complete.

 

At the same time, I also think that SFI is very entitled to make their own rules as they see fit and I wouldn't want them to change the glitch rule anyway.