Nolf Mouse stutter fix

[DX3M]

Hi, i just installed the fix for the mouse stutter for nolf

I was wondering if this also works for AVP2 which uses the lithtech engine as well

[gameragodzilla]

Old post now, but I never had any issues with stutter on AVP2 once I simply ran it in windowed mode, so it should be fine.

I'm mainly bumping this thread because I was wondering if the mouse stutter and FPS fix only works if you have an installation of the game in your registry. I've recently transferred computers and my NOLF files aren't inside the registry. The game still works fine, though, because I'm using a no CD crack that launches it with no problem. However, installing the NOLFCompatFix.sdb file seems to not be working and the only thing that seems to mitigate the stutter is using dgVoodoo2 and then putting mouse smoothing to max. It's playable in this state, but I wonder if the dedicated fix is better, and also if I'm installing it wrong.

 

Thank you.

[gameragodzilla]

It's been a while, so I'm bumping this thread again because I'm still having issues with mouse stutter. Again, I can mitigate it using dgVoodoo2 and mouse smoothing, but it still feels off. NOLF 2 performs absolutely fine with no problem, so it's weird why NOLF 1 keeps persisting with these issues. I wonder if anyone else has these problems.

 

EDIT: As an update to this, it seems like the NOLF Server launcher flat out does not work on my PC at all. It flat out will not launch the game. I'm gonna try to download the GOTY ISO files and reinstall the game, then reinstall the launcher, though I'm having problems with the ISOs stopping mid-download. Could be due to the spotty internet.

Thanks for the help, nevertheless, though. Sent $5 your way. Hope that helps at least a little.

Edited March 29, 2018 by gameragodzilla

[Eliteone]

Thanks for that. I have had more success with the GOTY edition on Windows 10 and newer hardware. 

[gameragodzilla]

29 minutes ago, Eliteone said:

Thanks for that. I have had more success with the GOTY edition on Windows 10 and newer hardware. 

Hm, is there an alternate source I can download the GOTY ISOs? I found the ones on TheISOZone, but they seem to be smaller in size than what you have so I'm not sure if their version is missing anything or not.

I did find this, though: https://www.myabandonware.com/game/the-operative-no-one-lives-forever-7q4 (uploading that file as well)

I don't know if it's a placebo or not, but it seems like this file most mitigates the problem. I still feel like it's not perfect, but it feels playable now based on what little I've played so far. I still use dgVoodoo2 and mouse smoothing, but all of that combined with this seems to fix the problem for me. Will still want to reinstall the game at some point, though. I'm starting to see black bars in the menu as well, even though the game itself seems to look fine.

EDIT: I do think this has been pretty effective. Tested one of the more prominent areas that stutter, which was Santa's lab training areas, and using this alongside mouse smoothing is the most effective so far at mitigating the problem for me. It seems perfectly playable now, so I think this file might be worth adding to the other mouse fixes for those who want it. In the meantime, I'm gonna download the GOTY ISOs from TheISOZone and reinstall NOLF1 to see if that further fixes anything. Thanks a lot for your help. It's been getting closer and closer to fully playable for me.

dinput.dll

Edited March 29, 2018 by gameragodzilla

[Eliteone]

39 minutes ago, gameragodzilla said:

Hm, is there an alternate source I can download the GOTY ISOs? I found the ones on TheISOZone, but they seem to be smaller in size than what you have so I'm not sure if their version is missing anything or not.

I did find this, though: https://www.myabandonware.com/game/the-operative-no-one-lives-forever-7q4 (uploading that file as well)

I don't know if it's a placebo or not, but it seems like this file most mitigates the problem. I still feel like it's not perfect, but it feels playable now based on what little I've played so far. I still use dgVoodoo2 and mouse smoothing, but all of that combined with this seems to fix the problem for me. Will still want to reinstall the game at some point, though. I'm starting to see black bars in the menu as well, even though the game itself seems to look fine.

EDIT: I do think this has been pretty effective. Tested one of the more prominent areas that stutter, which was Santa's lab training areas, and using this alongside mouse smoothing is the most effective so far at mitigating the problem for me. It seems perfectly playable now, so I think this file might be worth adding to the other mouse fixes for those who want it. In the meantime, I'm gonna download the GOTY ISOs from TheISOZone and reinstall NOLF1 to see if that further fixes anything. Thanks a lot for your help. It's been getting closer and closer to fully playable for me.

dinput.dll

Do you have any information I can put with that DLL (was there a readme file?) 

 

 The ISOs here are from one of my copies of the GOTY so they are the actual media. 

[gameragodzilla]

7 hours ago, Eliteone said:

Do you have any information I can put with that DLL (was there a readme file?) 

 

 The ISOs here are from one of my copies of the GOTY so they are the actual media. 

Not really, I’m afraid. There’s just the file and the file name on the site.

As for your ISOs, could you upload them in an alternate source as well? Maybe Mediafire or MEGA? I can download other stuff off this site just fine, but it seems like the ISOs just keep stopping mid-download. 

Edited March 29, 2018 by gameragodzilla

[Eliteone]

11 hours ago, gameragodzilla said:

Not really, I’m afraid. There’s just the file and the file name on the site.

As for your ISOs, could you upload them in an alternate source as well? Maybe Mediafire or MEGA? I can download other stuff off this site just fine, but it seems like the ISOs just keep stopping mid-download. 

Weird cause I downloaded them a couple nights ago to my new PC and didn't have any problems.  

What browser were you downloading with? 

[gameragodzilla]

57 minutes ago, Eliteone said:

Weird cause I downloaded them a couple nights ago to my new PC and didn't have any problems.  

What browser were you downloading with? 

Vivaldi, which is based on Chrome. Could be that that's the issue. I do also have Microsoft Edge installed normally.

That being said, the problem really isn't the download anymore, as TheISOZone's version of the files seem fine. Now, as mentioned in another thread, I'm unable to uninstall it on Windows 10. I've learned to just try and deal with it. Seems like the stuff I've done, which was using dgVoodoo2, adding the mouse fixes, and limiting my framerate to 60FPS has made it mostly playable, though it's still not perfect.

I'm just wondering if you also have that issue, and if it's something that affects all copies of NOLF 1 these days. I notice that it gets especially bad if the framerate is ludicrously high. For instance, if I turn off VSync and framerate limits entirely, I can get like 500 frames per second and the mouse flat out will not move a lot of times. The strange thing is I get this issue at super high framerates in NOLF1, but I don't have that issue at all in Aliens vs. Predator 2 despite it using an identical engine. At that high framerate, I just have the usual problems of dialogue and scripted events all going way too fast, but the mouse is still highly smooth. So I dunno.

[Eliteone]

2 hours ago, gameragodzilla said:

Vivaldi, which is based on Chrome. Could be that that's the issue. I do also have Microsoft Edge installed normally.

That being said, the problem really isn't the download anymore, as TheISOZone's version of the files seem fine. Now, as mentioned in another thread, I'm unable to uninstall it on Windows 10. I've learned to just try and deal with it. Seems like the stuff I've done, which was using dgVoodoo2, adding the mouse fixes, and limiting my framerate to 60FPS has made it mostly playable, though it's still not perfect.

I'm just wondering if you also have that issue, and if it's something that affects all copies of NOLF 1 these days. I notice that it gets especially bad if the framerate is ludicrously high. For instance, if I turn off VSync and framerate limits entirely, I can get like 500 frames per second and the mouse flat out will not move a lot of times. The strange thing is I get this issue at super high framerates in NOLF1, but I don't have that issue at all in Aliens vs. Predator 2 despite it using an identical engine. At that high framerate, I just have the usual problems of dialogue and scripted events all going way too fast, but the mouse is still highly smooth. So I dunno.

On my new machine I am finding I have to play it in windowed mode or else it seems to cap my Nvidia 1060 to no more than 60 FPS

[gameragodzilla]

4 minutes ago, Eliteone said:

On my new machine I am finding I have to play it in windowed mode or else it seems to cap my Nvidia 1060 to no more than 60 FPS

I'm playing it in windowed mode at the moment, though I'm still having those odd issues. It just gets worse as the framerate increases. You don't have those problems at a high framerate?

 

EDIT: Also, I've been trying to use the GOTY ISOs to see if that fixes stuff, but like here: 

 I'm having the same issue regarding older installation. Unfortunately, I don't have an XP machine handy to get around it like this person in the thread did.

I'm just wondering now if that actually helps at all, and what your experience is with this stuff. I know for a fact that regardless of what fix I implement, if I remove any framerate cap, the mouse will be very jittery and often refuse to move at all, even though the game is running at a massively huge framerate. If I turn using the keyboard, it looks very smooth, but if I try turning with the mouse, it'd constantly shake, or often be stuck for a while before suddenly moving again. Capping it at 60FPS makes the mouse move more or less correctly, but the stutter feeling is still there. I'm just now wondering if you'll have similar issues at that high framerate or if your game works perfectly fine regardless. If you end up having similar issues, then I guess my current set up is the best it's gonna get. If not, then I want to figure out what's going on with my copy.

 

Sorry for the massive wall of text, but I wanted to give out as much information as possible. The TL;DR is basically to turn off any VSync, GSync or framerate limiter and see how the game plays when it's, like, 500 FPS or something. The Advanced Field Training section at the start of Santa's Workshop is the most prone to the type of mouse glitches I have.

Edited March 30, 2018 by gameragodzilla

[Eliteone]

not yet though I haven't play it much yet as I'm still setting up my new machine. 

[gameragodzilla]

3 minutes ago, Eliteone said:

not yet though I haven't play it much yet as I'm still setting up my new machine. 

Yeah, sorry I ended up editing the prior post rather than just making a new one, but the main point I've made still is the same. All the fixes I've made for NOLF simply mitigates the mouse problems that the game has, whereas AVP2 flat out doesn't have them, and the easiest way to see the problem is to let the game run at super high framerates and test the mouse movement there. Since you've obviously played these games the most out of anyone I ever knew, you're the best source at telling me how these games should run on modern hardware. Thank you.

[Eliteone]

1 minute ago, gameragodzilla said:

Yeah, sorry I ended up editing the prior post rather than just making a new one, but the main point I've made still is the same. All the fixes I've made for NOLF simply mitigates the mouse problems that the game has, whereas AVP2 flat out doesn't have them, and the easiest way to see the problem is to let the game run at super high framerates and test the mouse movement there. Since you've obviously played these games the most out of anyone I ever knew, you're the best source at telling me how these games should run on modern hardware. Thank you.

I'll be tweaking things over the weekend so I'll post my results for everyone. 

[gameragodzilla]

Just now, Eliteone said:

I'll be tweaking things over the weekend so I'll post my results for everyone. 

Alright thanks. You're also using a Windows 10 system, right?

 

It's strange. Out of all the LithTech engine games I own, this is the only one that's having these issues. NOLF2 runs fine. Contract JACK, though I didn't play much, runs fine. AVP2 runs fine. Medal of Honor Pacific Assault runs fine, and that wasn't even a Monolith game. So I'm baffled why this particular game is giving me so much trouble.

[Eliteone]

Win 10 Pro on SSD drive etc.   This is the oldest game too it's like 18 years old.

[gameragodzilla]

15 minutes ago, Eliteone said:

Win 10 Pro on SSD drive etc.   This is the oldest game too it's like 18 years old.

Well that should be similar to mine, then, though I did install my copy on a mechanical hard drive rather than my SSD C: drive.

Let me know how your copy goes. What setup did you have before with NOLF and how did it work then?